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Proposition for pratical implementation of respect currency

The respect currency can be composed of two parts: the respect part and the digital currency part which is exchangeable for real money.

Problems with single component respect currency

The respect currency cannot be realized solely in terms of the digital currency because it does not fulfill two of the requirements of the respect currency given below.

"Once given, respect currency should gradually diminish in time, so that the respect should be gained constantly"
- This can lead to uncontrollable inflation if there is just a digital currency part in respect currency. Respect theory works equally well if the players want to collect more buying power without diminisihing the value of the currency. However, in this case the 'respect' component is washed out of the concept of respect currency. Real respect is something that needs to be renewed from time to time.
"Highly respected people should be able to show more respect (i.e., their respect is valued more by the society)"
- In terms of money, does this requirement read 'rich people can dole out more money' or 'rich people's money is worth more than poor people's money'? If there would be a separate respect component in the respect currency, it could be expected that the words of a respected elder weigh more heavily than those of a new kid in the block.

Digital currency: Bitcoin

Bitcoin is virtual currency. Bitcoin could represent the digital currency component of respect currency. Bitcoin is superior to the normal currencies for the following reasons:

It does not suffer from inflation as normal currencies do (inflation can be controlled and is predictable as what comes to reserves)
Central banks can not control the generation of the currency
Banks are not needed in transactions
Bitcoins are fully exchangeable for real money and products
Bitcoins are virtual, which means that operating the virtual money system is cheap
Bitcoins cannot be traced or forged
Bitcoins can be split into smaller and smaller 'pieces'

Bitcoins can be acquired by 'mining', in exchange for goods, services and real money. At the moment, in the creation phase of the crypto currency bitcoins can be simply earned by dedicating servers to the p2p-network. In the future the reward will be based more on traffice control resources.

Risks with Bitcoins

Possible problems (see also EFF article):

Powerful server providers collect more bitcoins in their reserves (this is balanced to some extent by randomization of the distribution process and by diminishing the reward over time)
At present, small size of bitcoin market can lead to large fluctuations in demand prices (free market philosophy)
if popularity is gained, direct intervention attempt of traditional banking institutions

Even if these risks are real, no harm is done if the bitcoins are not taken out of the virtual system. They can still be used as prototype of respect currency, whose transaction mechanism for real currency has already been established and therefore collecting them as a bonus on top of real salary, for example, would be a motivating factor for many knowledge workers (even if the amounts would be small), because it could be done completely independently of the bureaucrats of government institutions.

Proposition: dedicate a few servers for p2p and earn a few bitcoins. Start distributing fractions of them as 'honors' to Opasnet users.

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-== Proposition for pratical implementation of respect currency: Bitcoin ==
+== Proposition for pratical implementation of respect currency ==
-[http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin Bitcoin] is virtual currency which means that it fulfills the properties of the respect currency when supplemented with the following observations:
+The respect currency can be composed of two parts: the respect part and the digital currency part which is exchangeable for real money.
-* "Once given, respect currency should gradually diminish in time, so that the respect should be gained constantly"
+=== Problems with single component respect currency ===
-{{attack|1 |This can lead to uncontrollable inflation. Respect theory works equally well if the players want to collect more buying power without diminisihing the value of the currency.|--[[User:Smxb|Smxb]] 17:36, 2 August 2011 (EEST)}}
-* "Highly respected people should be able to show more respect (i.e., their respect is valued more by the society)"
-{{attack|2 |Highly idealized goal, which only works for the benefit of all when/if people learn what is the benefit of the whole. Consequently, herd thinking may result from this requirement at the current level of sophistication, just as in the present system. For example, most voters of a southern European country respected the incumbent prime minister of theirs enough to vote him into power twice despite the fact that in other countries he is disrespected. Just like it is possible to amass money, respect can be accumulated to an inner circle which becomes all the more powerful not for the benefit of all.|--[[User:Smxb|Smxb]] 17:36, 2 August 2011 (EEST)}} <br /> {{comment|3 |In terms of money, does this requirement read 'rich people can dole out more money' or 'rich people's money is worth more than poor people's money'?|--[[User:Smxb|Smxb]] 17:36, 2 August 2011 (EEST)}}
+The respect currency cannot be realized solely in terms of the digital currency because it does not fulfill two of the requirements of the respect currency given below.
-Bitcoin could act as a practical way of moving towards a more abstract respect currency. It is superior to the normal currencies for the following reasons:
+# "Once given, respect currency should gradually diminish in time, so that the respect should be gained constantly"
+#* This can lead to uncontrollable inflation if there is just a digital currency part in respect currency. Respect theory works equally well if the players want to collect more buying power without diminisihing the value of the currency. However, in this case the 'respect' component is washed out of the concept of respect currency. Real respect is something that needs to be renewed from time to time.
+# "Highly respected people should be able to show more respect (i.e., their respect is valued more by the society)"
+#* In terms of money, does this requirement read 'rich people can dole out more money' or 'rich people's money is worth more than poor people's money'? If there would be a separate respect component in the respect currency, it could be expected that the words of a respected elder weigh more heavily than those of a new kid in the block.
+=== Digital currency: Bitcoin ===
+[http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin Bitcoin] is virtual currency. Bitcoin could represent the digital currency component of respect currency. Bitcoin is superior to the normal currencies for the following reasons:
 # It does not suffer from inflation as normal currencies do (inflation can be controlled and is predictable as what comes to reserves)
 # Central banks can not control the generation of the currency
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 Bitcoins can be acquired by 'mining', in exchange for goods, services and real money. At the moment, in the creation phase of the crypto currency bitcoins can be simply earned by dedicating servers to the p2p-network. In the future the reward will be based more on traffice control resources.
+=== Risks with Bitcoins ===
 Possible [http://lwn.net/Articles/414452/ problems] (see also [https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/01/bitcoin-step-toward-censorship-resistant EFF article]):