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Respect theory is a theory about how people perceive respect and distribute their respect to other people based on their deeds or properties. It also studies implementations of the respect within a society (descriptive), and properties of a theoretically optimal implementation (normative). Respect theory claims to be a major solution to the dilemma of economic growth and sustainability of resources: It is a method to redistribute resources based on the intrinsic value of things, unlike economics that measures utility----#: . individual's preferences, income (which is a realistic value), and intrinsic cognitive processes of opportunity costs among other things --Tif 13:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: comment). In addition, economics gives higher value to scarce utilities ----#: . economics recognise higher values for luxurious goods. --Tif 13:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: comment), while even if being good to others is abundant, it is still highly respected. Thus, respect theory captures the most important things better than the economic theory in a wealthy world where most people have already fulfilled their basic needs.

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Scope

What are the properties of respect, how is it perceived, and how does it form, accumulate, and distribute in a society?

More specifically, respect can be thought as a social activity, where voluntary, individual expressions of respect about things and deeds are handled with specific rules in such a way that a synthesis of these individual expressions tends to converge towards the social respect about the things and deeds. Specific questions about respect theory include:

• How and in what format should the individual expressions of respect be collected?
• What are the rules for handling the expressions?
• What does "social respect" mean, and how can it be measured?

Definition

Data

All the current currencies basically measure resources or services that can be traded to other resources or services. However, Eric S. Raymond has noted that in a society where the basic needs have been fulfilled, social respect cannot be gained by collecting more wealth but instead giving something for common good. Therefore, it is actually necessary for a society to have some currency for social respect, in addition to the measure of resources. Otherwise respect remains implicit or hard to recognise, and it is inefficient in motivating people to work for social development. It is not enough to have the current focus on efficient resource distribution by using money as a means to create trust between people within the society⇤--#: . monetarisation is by theory not about building trust among people, but rather to distribute goods according to the society's standard --Tif 13:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: attack).

There should be a currency for respect. The respect currency should measure the amount of respect a certain act gains from the society. There exists some primitive examples of such a currency already. Honorary and other medals that are given to respected people e.g. on the 91st independence day of Finland (which is the day when the first draft of this page was written) are one kind of respect currency. Gifts in general also show respect. However, these currencies are not quantitative (i.e. they do not actually measure the amount of respect), and they are not (easily) tradeable to material benefits.

The respect theory has a practical objective. We believe that respect is, in general, a positive phenomenon both at an individual and a social level. Individually, it is an important factor improving quality of life. In a society, it is a method to guide its members towards behaviour that is acceptable in and useful for the society. The respect theory aims to improve the explication of respect in a beneficial way. It also may encourage people to express their respect more, which may be a good thing for the society and its members. ⇤--#how many respect do you gain as a minister of public health and wellbeing with the decision to switch the national public health coverage into a thing for the free market? Knowing on one hand, that there might be a risk of stimulating the free market into a wild jungle system with "cherry picking", and on the other hand, a chance to push the health coverage system into a well-oiled machine?: . --Tif 13:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC) {{{3}}} (type: truth; paradigms: science: attack)

Psychology

Respect is a feeling of good opinion, honour, or admiration. It is related to an event, object, or individual. It clearly exists in humans, but it seems to exist in many social mammals and maybe in other animals as well. The respect theory should be able to capture the essential properties of this feeling.

However, an individual may have strong feelings of respect (or disrespect) but the individual may not want to reveal this feeling to others for various reasons. Thus, there will be feelings of respect that will not be explicated. The following discussion differentiates the feeling itself and the explication of respect, which is an expression of the feeling of respect. Because we cannot know whether an individual actually feels the individual claims, we need to assume that this is the case. Anyway, the respect theory only operates with the expressions of respect. To be precise about these, we use different symbols. R'' denotes the actual feeling of of respect of an individual, R' denotes the explicated individual respect, and R denotes the aggregated respect perceived by the subject ("I").

Economics

Respect theory relates to externalities, which are benefits or costs to people that are not involved in an economic transaction. For example, a piece of freely available information may benefit anyone irrespective of who actually paid for producing it. An external cost occurs when the production of goods cause pollution that is not charged from the polluter in a form of e.g. a pollution tax. Respect theory may be able to capture some of these externalities and thus create an economic system that is more efficient than one without respect. Respect theory, if properly applied, may be more efficient way of capturing externalities than many traditional methods such as taxation, criminalisation, government provision, or tort laws. ⇤--#: . If someone pollutes the environment he should pay for this, e.g. via taxation. This has nothing to do with respect. Applying respect theory might mean that people receiving high respect must pay less than people with low respect. So the "penalty" is not base on the cause of the externalities. --Alexandra Kuhn 11:38, 1 December 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: attack) D↷

Ethics

The above mentioned economic tools are not refined to actually capture efficiently the ethical aspects of actions. There are lots of things that are ethically questionable but still do not trigger any tort, not to mention criminal, laws. Also, ethically respected deeds are not at all covered by laws, which focus on forbidding bad things rather than rewarding good deeds.

Personal experience of a trialogue

Respect can be viewed as a "trialogue" of a good property or deed, respect given by someone, and the good feeling of the owner of the property of deed by recognising the respect by others. Even babies are able to understand that someone is happy about something the baby did. And small boys are happy that their dads are proud of their skills in football. Respect is a very strong motivator of human life and endeavour. Actually, Robert Baden-Powell has stated that the true road to happiness is to help other people. This is also a trialogue of respect, assuming that other people give value to your helpfulness (which is, usually, a reasonable assumption).

Coherence of social respect

There is a hypothesis that social respect, and also social valuations, MUST be coherent within the society at a given time. (Actually, this can be viewed as a definition for a society: society is a group of people, who accept the idea of belonging to the group given its coherent social valuation structure.) This coherence requirement does not apply to individuals, who are allowed to have inconsistent valuations, and they are also allowed to disagree with the social valuations.

If this hypothesis holds, it means that when starting from inconsistent individual expressions of respect, the rules must make a synthesis that is internally coherent.

Intrinsic and instrumental respect

In practice, it is useful to divide respect into two different kinds: intrinsic respect, which is respect of the thing itself; and instrumental (or extrinsic) respect, which is respect because the thing is useful in producing something that deserves intrinsic respect. This is analogous and closely related to intrinsic value and instrumental value.

How can these respects be separated? Is there actually any intrinsic respect, or is everything that is respected respected only because it is useful? These questions have stimulated lengthy discussions in the philosophy of values. Here, we only make a practical assumption: there are layers of respect. Many things that we originally thought that deserve intrinsic respect are, when carefully thought through, only instrumental to some deeper objectives. Instead of trying to separate these layers into "instrumental" and "deeper", we acknowledge that the line is inherently fuzzy. We must start by giving intrinsic respect to things we respect. However, as we develop our thinking and measurement methods, we understand that the things are instrumental, and we learn to measure their impact in producing something deeper good. Our intrinsic respect has changed into instrumental. And with further thinking and improved measurement, the deeper goods are found to deserve only instrumental respect as means to produce something even deeper good.

There is no objective boundary between intrinsic and instrumental respect. It is a matter of our ability to understand what we actually respect, and our ability to measure how different things affect other things that produce respected things.

What is the difference between respect and values?

Respect theory is closely related to Value theory. They are pretty much talking about the same thing. I guess the main difference is that values are thought as something that exist by themselves. Respect only exists if you give respect to something, and I have respect on your respect. Respect is more like a process of talking about values, and the respect theory is a method to measure the intensity of that talk. Value theory sees values more like as static products.

Rationale for rules

The rules of respect should follow general patterns of thinking that are deep in the brains of human beings. The ability of thinking about respect is inherent to humans (and probably other mammals, too). Therefore, the main source of information about the rules of respect lie in our own brains.

• An individual should be allowed to express respect about anything. Also disrespect should be allowed, because it clearly exists in human thinking of respect.
• An explication of respect is more valuable if
  • the respector is highly respected,
  • the explication is a large fraction of the total explications of respect by the respector,
  • the explication is informative ("I respect the whole world" is very uninformative and therefore not valuable),
  • the explication is true (i.e. felt by the individual expressing it, and not only said due to being polite).
• The expression of respect reduces the respect of the giver, if the object of expression is disrespected by others.

Result

The respect currency should have the following properties:

⇤--0: . How is this respect currency actually any different from traditional money? --Juha Villman 11:15, 25 November 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: attack)

⇤--5: . The point is not that respect currency has similar properties to money. The point is that it has some properties that money does not and cannot have. The major difference is that money measures scarce things, where someone's negotiating power sets prices of goods to high enough a level where people are interested in transactions. Respect currency works in situations where there is no scarcity (e.g. public information), so nobody has negotiating power, and the money price is zero. Respect currency works because it is free to give away but valuable to receive. --Jouni 22:10, 25 November 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: attack)

----#: . Money applies to material goods. Respect currency applies to immaterial goods. --Alexandra Kuhn 11:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: comment)⇤--#: . A starving person living on the streets can earn a high respect due to his streetwise knowledge, but can still be hungry because he is unemployed. How would this make a person any better? --Tif 13:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: attack)

• It should show the respect of the giver about an act (or the property) of the receiver. ----1: . Traditional money already have this property --Juha Villman 11:15, 25 November 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: comment) ⇤--#: . If I pay you a euro for an apple I do so because I receive the good, not because I pay you respect. --Alexandra Kuhn 11:46, 1 December 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: attack)
• Once given, it should gradually diminish in time, so that the respect should be gained constantly. ----2: . Traditional money already have this property (See time value of money) --Juha Villman 11:15, 25 November 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: comment)⇤--#: . discounting factor can cover this as well --Tif 13:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: attack)
• It should be tradable to some material benefits, such as traditional money. ----#: . Can you say why? --Alexandra Kuhn 11:50, 1 December 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: comment)
• Highly respected people should be able to show more respect (i.e., their respect is valued more by the society). ⇤--#: . Depends. I once saw a karate sensei who was respected by everyone just because he was sensei. He and they argued because he put effort in being so good in karate means that he has earned the respect. (Same could apply to factory owners, football and media stars, presidents.) But in reality people should be respected because of their properties and deeds (e.g. being polite, not being arrogant). So even if people are highly respected they sometimes shouldn't be and thus the value of their respect to others should not be valued more. --Alexandra Kuhn 11:50, 1 December 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: attack)⇤--#: . About 2 centuries ago, some tribes were using the respect system to determine the destiny's of the whole tribe. The elderly was most respected and thus possessed the power over everyone. Are we going back to that path? --Tif 13:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: attack)
• There should be some kind of accounting, so that the acts worth respect are documented (i.e. it should be difficult to create fake respect by e.g. two people falsely respecting each other more and more and thus accumulating respect currency). ----3: . Traditional money already have this property --Juha Villman 11:15, 25 November 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: comment)
• A person doing respectful deeds full-time should be able to live with the respect currency he/she receives and trades for traditional money. ----4: . Traditional money already have this property --Juha Villman 11:15, 25 November 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: comment) ⇤--#: . Not if you are doing it for free voluntarily. --Alexandra Kuhn 11:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: attack)

The respect theory, combined with trialogue, is able to describe many complex societal and inter-individual relationships. The descriptions are based on the trialogue of respect, which is defined as follows:

1. The basic actors in the respect situation are you, I, and the topic. "You" and "I" are interchangeable, as the difference is only the point of view. They can be individuals or groups. The topic can be anything, e.g. an act, a personal skill, a feeling, a valuation, or an object.
2. The topic is "owned" by me, i.e. it is my act, skill, feeling, valuation, or object.
3. Respect means the you give value to the fact that the ownership of the topic belongs to me.
4. The trialogue of respect occurs if and only if I give value to the fact that you give respect to the fact that the topic belongs to me.

⇤--#: . What if topics belong so several owners? Respect could also be payed by acknowledging contributions to the topic by you, not only for I being the owner. --Alexandra Kuhn 11:54, 1 December 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: attack)

Although the definition sounds complicated, everyone knows the feeling created by the trialogue of respect. Just see the examples in the definition.

The respect theory is also able to explain and operationalise ethics systems. Then, the topics are valuations shared by a group of people, e.g. a society. There are valuations that are shared by all members of the group and that are seen as indispensable valuations. Such a valuation forms a trialogue of respect with any two individuals from this group. The trialogue of respect strengthens a certain value system within a society. Another society may and will have another set of indispensable valuations.

The valuation structure may be hierarchical so that a society divides into subgroups with additional indispensable valuations shared within the subgroup but not necessarily outside the group. Cultural clashes can often be explained by understanding the indispensable valuations and how the trialogue of respect about these valuations does not exist between some groups.

Mathematical expression of respect

The intrinsic respect can be calculated based on the individual respect explicated by the respectors. The instrumental respect (see later) can be calculated based on the intrinsic respect.

Rs(i:k|l) = Σj ((R'(j:k|l) / (Σk |R'(j:k|l)|)) * R'(i:j|l), where

R = R0 e-r(i|l) t, and

R = aggregate measure of respect.
R' = explicated individual measure of respect.
Rs = intrinsic respect.
Rd = instrumental respect.
i = subject, an individual who observes respect ("I").
j = respector, an individual who gives respect ("you").
k = topic of respect.
R'(i:k|l) = "i gives R amount of respect to k, given conditions l". Alternative expression: R'i,k,l.
R(i:k|l) = "i perceives that R amount of total respect is given to k, given conditions l".
R0 = amount of respect at the time when it is given.
r = (annual) discount rate; specifically r(i|l) = R(i:r|l). 
   ----1: . Is it possible to have respect distributions? --Jouni 08:35, 30 November 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: comment)
t = time since the explication of a respect (in years).
l = conditions in which the amount of respect is applicable (e.g. respect may be very different under war or peace).

It should be noted that j is an index of all relevant respectors. This includes i, who is also the subject as well as a respector. Therefore, it is important to distinguish between the explicated individual respect that the subject i oneself gives to k irrespective of other respectors, and the aggregated respect that the subject i perceives that the topic k has in the group j of respectors. To clarify this, R' denotes the explicated individual respect, and R denotes the aggregated respect.

The instrumental respect (or extrinsic respect) is respect that can be derived from intrinsic, explicated respect. For example, respectors can give respect to a particular article or other information object. This respect can be further distributed to the contributors of the object based on how much each one has contributed.

----2: . Is it so that instrumental respect cannot be explicated, but it is always derived? If so, the derivation functions must be applicable to all relevant situations. --Jouni 07:35, 1 December 2009 (UTC) (type: truth; paradigms: science: comment)

Rd(i:j|l) = Σk R(i:k|l) RF(k:j), where

RF(k:j) = respect fraction of topic k divided to j contributors. 

The j contributors mutually agree on (or use pragma-dialectics to resolve the dispute about) their fractions in such a way that

Σj RF(k:j) = 1 for all k.

In addition to derive respect to contributors (people), instrumental respect can be derived in a causal diagram to variables. This way, it is possible to start from valuable (or respected) outcome variables and distribute the respect to other variables, and ultimately, to people whose contributions improve the variable content and thus the assessment as a whole. There is some kind of connection between respect and value of information, but it not yet clear what that connection is.

The intrinsic respect can be written as R_s ("respect of self"), and the instrumental (or extrinsic) respect can be written as R_d ("respect of deeds"). The total respect R_tot is

Rtot = Rs + Rd.

Application

The first practical application of this mathematical expression is to estimate social respect. Society is thought as "I", with a few additional requirements:

• The society must be coherent in its respect valuations; this is not required from individuals.
• Because R' is an expression of valuations of an individual, the society cannot have intrinsic respect R'.
• Instead, R' of the society should be seen as an R aggregated from several individuals' R and/or R'. The mathematics of this may become complex. I do not yet understand what this means, but additional requirements may be needed because of this.

See also

• Open money
• Respect currency
• Onor
• Ilmastotekokilpailu
• Ethics matters from the University of San Diego
• The Theory of Moral Sentiments of Adam Smith in Wikipedia
• Respect in Stanford Encyclopedia
• Value theory in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
• Subjective theory of value
• Intrinsic value
• Instrumental value
• Value theory
• Axiology
• Respect research Group in the University of Hamburg
• Measuring respect
• Globbarit: Peukkuseuranta
• Tanja Aitamurto in Huffington Post: Decentralized editorial power
• AOL to produce news by the numbers

EU funded project from Cordis database

• Overcoming constraints of sustainable development
• Reforming social capital
• Policy relevant research on patent alternatives
• Encouraging environmental innovation in Europe

References

• Literature about respect
• van Quaquebeke