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<div class="discussion" id="{{{id|.}}} ">
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|'''Statements:''' {{{Dispute|}}}{{{Statements|}}}<br>
! <font class="type" {{#ifeq:{{{type|}}}|value| color=green>Value discussion[[Category:Value discussion]]| color=brown>Fact discussion[[Category:Fact discussion]]}}: <b class="title">{{{title|.}}}</b> <small>{{#if:{{{id|}}}|({{{id}}})|}}</small></font>
'''Resolution:''' {{#if:{{{Resolution|}}}|'''{{{Resolution}}}'''[[Category:Closed discussions]]|Resolution not yet found.[[category:Open discussions]]}}
|----
{{{Outcome|}}}
|'''Opening statement:''' <font class="openingStatement" color="navy">{{{openingStatement|}}}{{{statements|}}}{{{Statements|}}}</font>
{{#if:{{{Open|}}}|[[Category:Open discussions]]|[[Category:Closed discussions]]}}


{{#if:{{{Dispute|}}}|[[Category:Contains old parameters]]|Does NOT contain '''Dispute''' .}}
'''Closing statement:''' <em class="closingStatement">{{#if:{{{closingStatement|}}}{{{resolution|}}}{{{Resolution|}}}|{{{closingStatement|}}}{{{resolution|}}}{{{Resolution|}}}|Resolution not yet found.}}</em>
{{#if:{{{Outcome|}}}|[[Category:Contains old parameters]]|Does NOT contain '''Outcome'''.}}
{{#if:{{{dispute|}}}|[[Category:Contains old parameters]]|Does NOT contain '''dispute'''.}}
{{#if:{{{outcome|}}}|[[Category:Contains old parameters]]|Does NOT contain '''outcome'''.}}


<font class="resolved" color="maroon">{{#if:{{{resolved|}}}{{{Resolved|}}}|(Resolved, i.e., a closing statement has been found and updated to the main page.)[[Category:Resolved discussions]]|(A closing statement, when resolved, should be updated to the main page.)[[Category:Ongoing discussions]]}}</font>
|----
|----
|'''Argumentation:'''  
|'''Argumentation:'''  
 
<div class="argumentation">
{{{Argumentation|}}}
{{{argumentation|}}}{{{Argumentation|}}}</div>
|}
|}
<noinclude>The template is in transition phase. The '''Dispute''' is now called '''Statements''' and '''Outcome''' is called '''Resolution'''. All of these are valid arguments for the template to prevent problems. The discussions have now rather systematically been updated so that they only contain Statements and Resolution, so these should be used as the main parameters. If Resolution is missing, then the text should say: "Resolution not yet found", and then it is categorised to [[:Category:Open discussions]].
</div><noinclude>If ''closingStatement'' is missing, then the text says: "Resolution not yet found". If the parameter ''resolved'' has content, such as "Yes", the page will be categorised into [[:Category:Resolved discussions]]. This means that the current closing statement has been updated to the main page (and this is mentioned on the page). If it is empty, the page will be categorised to [[:Category:Ongoing discussions]], and the closing statement should be updated to the main page when found. Discussions are categorised to fact and value discussions depending on the ''type'' parameter. For details, see [[Discussion]].


I also created a new parameter, "Open". If it contains content, such as "Yes", the page will be categorised into [[:Category:Open discussions]]. If it is empty, the page will be categorised to [[:Category:Closed discussions]]. This is the newer way of referring to the openness of a discussion. The older way (based on the existence of Resolution parameter), should be removed. Also, the parameters Dispute and Outcome should be removed at some point, when a checkup has been done.
{{argument|relat1=relevant attack|selftruth1=true|id=arg2370|type=|content=Should we categorise discussions to "parameters should be updated" if they use depreciated paramaters such as statements or resolution? It is not a huge work to update, but on the other hand it has little value.|sign=--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] ([[User talk:Jouni|talk]]) 12:33, 24 September 2018 (UTC)}}


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{{discussion
{{discussion
|Statements= Resolution is the word for the outcome of a discussion.
|id = Unique identifier for the discussion on this page.
|Resolution= Accepted.
|type= Type of discussion, either fact or value (there might be a need for other discussion types).
|Argumentation =
|openingStatement = One or more claims that will be discussed.
 
|closingStatement = Outcome of the discussion, i.e. acceptable claims.
{{attack_invalid|1|I have doubts about Resolution being better than Outcome. Do we want to separate between closed discussions (dispute not resolved, but the current outcome is included in the information object); and resolved discussions (only one statement is valid after the discussion)? We must think about this. (|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 07:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC)}}
|resolved = "Yes" if the current resolution has been updated to the main text referring to the discussion.
:{{attack|4 |The main reason for changing outcome to resolution is that outcome can be outcome of anything (a model, calulation, a study), but resolution is specifically the outcome of a discussion. In this context, the word resolution does not tell anything about the status of the discussion (ongoing, resolved etc.)|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 16:17, 3 January 2010 (UTC)}}
|title = Resolution in a few words (shown on graphs).
:{{defend|2 |Outcome could be the outcome of discussion, either "Accepted", "Not accepted", or something more complex. Resolution could be "Yes" or empty, yes meaning that only one statement is valid and resolution was found. So, we need two parameters to reflect the outcome well. This way, we could have three categories: open, closed, and resolved discussions.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 07:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)}}
|argumentation = A hierarchical thread of arguments. Each argument should be on its own line, and hiererchy is decribed using indents (colon characters : in the beginning of the line).
:{{comment|3 |So we should have Outcome and Resolution?|--[[User:Juha Villman|Juha Villman]] 08:42, 23 November 2009 (UTC)}}
}}
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Latest revision as of 12:36, 24 September 2018

How to read discussions

Fact discussion: .
Opening statement:

Closing statement: Resolution not yet found.

(A closing statement, when resolved, should be updated to the main page.)

Argumentation:

If closingStatement is missing, then the text says: "Resolution not yet found". If the parameter resolved has content, such as "Yes", the page will be categorised into Category:Resolved discussions. This means that the current closing statement has been updated to the main page (and this is mentioned on the page). If it is empty, the page will be categorised to Category:Ongoing discussions, and the closing statement should be updated to the main page when found. Discussions are categorised to fact and value discussions depending on the type parameter. For details, see Discussion.

arg2370: . Should we categorise discussions to "parameters should be updated" if they use depreciated paramaters such as statements or resolution? It is not a huge work to update, but on the other hand it has little value. --Jouni (talk) 12:33, 24 September 2018 (UTC) (type: ; paradigms: science: relevant attack)

{{discussion
|id = Unique identifier for the discussion on this page.
|type= Type of discussion, either fact or value (there might be a need for other discussion types).
|openingStatement = One or more claims that will be discussed.
|closingStatement = Outcome of the discussion, i.e. acceptable claims.
|resolved = "Yes" if the current resolution has been updated to the main text referring to the discussion.
|title = Resolution in a few words (shown on graphs).
|argumentation = A hierarchical thread of arguments. Each argument should be on its own line, and hiererchy is decribed using indents (colon characters : in the beginning of the line).
}}